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"A Killing That Won't Go Away" Jim Hill - Former Oregon Senator
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| Melody Garcia’s daughter contacts website In March of 2007 I was contacted by Karie Rothschild-Roos. Ms. Roos is the daughter of Melody Rothschild Garcia who was formerly married to Konrad Garcia and Buck Burgess (her cousin). It was alleged many years ago that Tim Natividad made numerous contacts with Konrad Garcia through Melody in an attempt to solicit his services for a contract hit on someone high in corrections. (see http://www.freefrankgable.com/thanksarticle) Excerpt from my article: "Natividad had spoken to Melody about needing to get rid of some guy. Natividad wanted Melody’s husband Konrad, to do the job. Konrad was up for parole, and anticipating his release. “Someone has to go down”, Natividad said. He told Melody if this guy went down it would make her happy. It would help her with her problems. At the time, the only problem Melody had mentioned was waiting time after time for her husband to win his parole. He kept getting denied. This led Melody to believe the person Natividad wanted to get rid of was someone in the corrections system." When I first created this website I composed the above “Thanks Article” from witness statements and assistance from Kevin Francke. Some of the points I attempted to bring attention to were Melody’s statements purporting Tim Natividad to have solicited her husband Konrad’s assistance in “taking someone out,” her belief that she had seen Scott McAlister with Natividad in her home, the obvious infatuation existing between Natividad and Melody’s daughter Karie, and that Melody believed Natividad had come to her house the night of the Francke murder. Excerpt from my article: "She vividly relives the horrifying night Natividad came to her house, completely whacked out, and crazy on meth. His eyes practically popping out of their sockets. Her daughter went to the door, familiar, by now, with Rooster dropping in unexpectedly. But something was very different this time. Though just fourteen at the time, her instincts told her not to open the door. The face and demeanor of Rooster terrified her. She retreated to the back room and told her mom what she had seen. Melody instructed her to not let him in: to lie, and tell him that Melody wasn’t there and just go away." After speaking directly with Ms. Rothschild-Roos I ascertained that Natividad did indeed come by Melody’s house. Sometime very close to the night of the murder. She cannot say for sure after all these years if it was the actual night of the murder. She does recall seeing blood on Natividad on the night referenced. (could the blood have come from Natividad’s involvement in the Francke murder or could it have come from an alleged fight between Natividad and a guy named Greg Johnson? Ron Spier, a self-proclaimed former meth cook in Salem, Oregon, and who claims to have been a childhood friend of Natividad in 1989 has said that the two had a fight sometime very close to the night of the murder if not on the night of the murder. Was the blood from a fight with Greg Johnson or from killing Francke? Perhaps both! What if Greg Johnson was with Natividad when he killed Francke? SEE-SHOULD YOU BELIEVE THIS MAN-WILLAMETTE WEEK-10/10/07) Ms. Rothschild-Roos doesn’t remember a guy named Greg Johnson, and she spent a considerable amount of time with Natividad in the days leading up to the Francke murder. Is she lying or did she really know Greg Johnson? Greg Johnson was arrested under the surname “Kellcy” on 11/17/06 For the “Lowes Home Improvement“ robbery in McMinnville, and is the subject of the Willamette Week article, "Should You Believe This Man?" Booking No... : 2006110211 File Number : 103681 Inmate Name : KELLCY, GREGORY ALLEN Arrest Date .. : 11/17/2006 Booking Date : 11/17/2006 Offense ........ : ROB I,THEFT II,FEL POSS WEAP,MENACING Arresting Officer : 27491 MACARTNEY Scheduled Release Date : / / Age... : 44 Sex... : M Race : WHITE Height : 5'8"; Weight : 150 Hair .. : BLN Eyes : BLU Total Fines : $ 0.00 Total Bond : $ 0.00 Total Bail.. : $ 165,000.00 Karie’s mother Melody has already made a statement purporting it was the night of the murder that Natividad came by all whacked out on meth. Melody’s statement was given not long after the murder as well, while it was still fresh in her memory. Kevin and I determined that Melody’s recollection of this event was indeed on “the night of the murder.” Excerpt from my article: "Michael Francke’s car was found by employees in its usual designated spot in the front parking circle of the Dome Building with the driver’s door ajar around 7:15 p.m. on January the 17th. Despite this very out-of-character occurrence, and no response from numerous pages and a search of the office building, the police were never summoned. Five hours later, just minutes into the morning of the 18th, a guard “rattling doorknobs” discovered his lifeless body on the north portico, lying in front of a door leading in to a clerical area in the Dome Building. Police and paramedics were summoned; soon the crime scene was taken over and expanded by the Oregon State Police. Governor Goldschmidt and representatives of the District Attorney’ s office were soon on the scene, but measures were taken to keep a lid on the news until the scene was secure, and any secondary crime scenes could be checked out. It was decided to issue the first press release at 8:00 a.m. PST, on the morning of the 18th. Anyone in the northwest alive at the time would soon be deluged with the streams of radio and television coverage that the murder of one of the governor’s key cabinet members would create. Melody Garcia was no exception. Thinking that Francke had been killed the 18th, the day the body was discovered and the day of the press release, then the bizarre incident with Natividad the “night before the murder” was actually the very night of the murder. So was it just drugs fueling his freakish, paranoid behavior, or had something gone bad, very bad?" Ms. Rothschild-Roos also confirmed she did let Natividad into the home. She would’ve never denied him entry under any circumstances. She also saw him in possession of large quantities of high quality meth which she described to me as sounding like “kilo” amounts. “He always had high quality meth,” she stated. She also reiterated seeing someone killed while with Natividad prior to the Francke murder, however her current version differed from the previous version she had given to defense investigator Bruce Cummins where she identified Natividad as the perpetrator. One of Ms. Rothschild-Roos’s initial requests from me were copies of any statements she had made to investigators years ago. I withheld that document from her until I posted the context of many witness statements made to defense investigator Cummins, including those of Karie Rothschild-Roos in my message forum. Excerpt from Karie Rothschild statement to Bruce Cummins on 12/11/90: buc:karie rothchild I then asked her if she could tell me more details about the murder that Natividad committed in her presence. She stated that she could picture the event in her mind. She was sitting at the kitchen table talking to a girl she had just met. Natividad was in the living room when he shot the guy. She saw Tim carrying the guy past her and out the kitchen door. He took the body to a car and put it in the trunk. buc:karie rothchild She stated that she was very scared at the time and didn't say anything. She felt that if she had said something she might be killed. She didn't want to bring any attention to her. Even after her and Tim drove away she never said anything because she was still scared. buc:karie rothchild Karie stated that after that they left and Tim changed his clothes in his van. The following is a link to a page in my message forum containing statements made by Karie Rothschild, Melody Rothschild Garcia, Greg Johnson, Mike Keerins and others. The statements of those I just specifically mentioned are all together near the middle of the page. http://freefrankgable.proboards2.com/index.cgi? board=docs&action=display&thread=1174327050&page=2 Kevin Francke Compromises Investigation During the course of a couple of weeks Ms. Rothschild-Roos and I exchanged emails and conversed over the phone. Interestingly enough, that all came to an abrupt halt after I sent an email in good faith to Kevin Francke enlightening him to the recent contact I had made with Karie Rothschild-Roos. It is no secret to those who frequent this website that there is a good deal of animosity which has built up between Kevin Francke and I. Fueled mostly by Kevin’s propensity for attacking me over my association with Shorty Harden in order to get him to publicly recant his trial testimony, and joining forces with Frank Gable’s sister Francine Sinnett in belittling my efforts of obtaining Shorty's recantment. This is quite strange in that Francine accused me of making things worse for Frank due to the fact Shorty was paid for his interview...by Kevin and Patrick Francke! Figure that one out. I, on the other hand, have attacked him for ignoring important new evidence, improperly judging me, and discontinuing his active participation in this website. Why would Kevin Francke refuse to offer an simple explanation for ignoring new evidence, resort to improperly passing judgement on me and my personal life in much the same way the prosecution improperly passed judgement on Frank, and conveniently seize an opportunity to justify those actions by joining forces with Frank Gable's sister in labeling me a "bully" simply because I call it how I see it regardless of who I'm confronting? His attempts to discredit me or the website only directly effect Frank, not me. It’s Frank’s ass that’s on the line, not mine. Prior to all this him and his brother Patrick were recommending this site to everyone all over the internet. Once I began to confront him over various issues and accused him of ignoring new evidence, specifically the Meg Hanson issue, Kevin stopped corresponding with me altogether. The issues I've mentioned all erupted over two years ago, while the incident with Karie Rothschild-Roos occurred one year ago. I have exhibited more than enough patience allowing plenty of time for Kevin, as well as Francine, to step up and apologize or simply take the time to afford me a reasonable explanation for their actions and words which were not deserved and unwarranted. Kevin finally made the decision to correspond with me once again last fall. A decision I can't help feeling came from much persuasion from his two children with Liz... Grayson and Hailey. Both of which kept in touch with me and prayed for reconciliation between their father and I. Once again, our correspondence came to an abrupt halt after I simply asked his brother Patrick for an explanation on why he posted on the Willamette Week website, "Should You Believe This Man?" that him and Kevin had met with Shorty Harden and obtained his recantment. A blatant lie for which there is no reasonable explanation, not to mention an attempt to rob me of my accomplishment. Patrick accused me of having an attitude of some sort with my direct question of why he lied. He got attitude after that. The issue I was addressing with Patrick was between him and I only. Take notice of how Patrick cc's his response to me to Kevin, Redden, Stanford, and the Francke family lawyer(concerning the murder case only) Steve Krasik. On 10/22/07, Rob Taylor <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> wrote: Care to explain to me why you lied about you and Kevin meeting with Shorty in your response to the Greg Johnson story? Rob Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 10:53:42 -0500 From: "E Patrick Francke" <epatrick1@gmail.com> To: "Rob Taylor" <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: ?? CC: "Kevin Francke" <kbf61553@yahoo.com>, "Phil Stanford/Work" <philstanford@portlandtribune.com>, "Steve Krasik" <krasik@teleport.com>, "Jim Redden" <jimredden@portlandtribune.com> First off, what is with the attitude? I don't need that kind of bullshit. I misspoke, truly. I was there in the bar, but did not do any face time with Shorty or Traci. I paid Shorty the couple of thousand--cash--that you told me he wanted. My money. That got the interview and statement. The reporter and you talked to them and thentold us what was said during the interview. The reporter put it inhis story in the paper. The cops and the DA paid Shorty with special deals, I gave him cash. If you find it necessary to correct the record, please do so. I meant no harm, did no harm, and did not intend to decieve anyone. I was trying to advance the case that Frank was convicted on false testimony. Just that simple. E Pat Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 13:54:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rob Taylor" <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: lieing To: "Patrick Francke" <epatrick@kcnet.com> CC: "Phil Stanford" <philstanford@portlandtribune.com>, "Jim Redden" <jimredden@portlandtribune.com>, "Steve krasik" <krasik@teleport.com>, "Kevin Francke" <kbf61553@yahoo.com> Pat, So first you disrespect me by posting a blatant lie at the WW message board. Then you disrespect me again with your response that you weren't trying to intentionally deceive anyone with that post. BULLSHIT! You fucking knew as you were writing those words that they were a lie, yet you still wrote them! Now you disrespect me yet again by not answering my question as to why neither you or Kevin defended me when Francine was accusing me of making things worse by bringing Shorty to the table and paying him. And you even disrespect me further by saying you put up a couple grand cuz that's what "I" said Shorty wanted. I take that as you implying I may have been dishonest about that. Kiss my ass for that one! Spare me the reenactment of the bar scene that day as well. I was there, remember? Seems you're the one who might need a little reminder on that. Like how I told you and Kevin that Shorty and Traci were gonna come in the bar, and you and Kevin were spending so much time getting drunk and telling war stories that neither of you even noticed the two of them in the bar for 20 minutes. Still didn't notice them as they walked back and forth in the window we were sitting by when they left. All this after I told you they were coming! Fucking hilarious! Not to mention I had to practically slam my fist on the table after three hours, look you in the eye, and ask you if we were gonna do what we came there to do. Which was make the decision of whether you were going to pay Shorty. And then what happened? Yeah, you and Kevin excused yourselves from the table and had a little conference in the corner of the bar, then came back and put $1000 in my hand with the promise of the rest the following day. What was that all about, huh? Not to mention you knew it was $3000 that was already negotiated, so why didn't you come with the full $3000? I ended up having to go back to Shorty and still sell him on the deal. So yeah, you put up the cash in a lop manner which forced me to have to resell the whole thing to Shorty. It wasn't just your cash either Pat that made it happen. It was all the time I spent with Shorty befriending him. Doing all the fiberglass work on his corvette, and painting the goddamned thing. I put alot of time, sweat, and blood into working on his car. I exposed myself and my entire family to Shorty and his clan. I went the extra fuckin mile, and ended up getting shit on by you, Kevin, Francine, and even Frank. If you accuse me of doing all that just to get high with him I promise you I will drive the motherfuckin three hour drive to KC so we can finish this like men. You won't rat on me if I kick your ass will you? Likewise! I fail to see where I've ever given anyone any indication that I will take such disrespect without lashing back with a piece of my mind. I came into this thing with the purest of intentions. I'm a complete outsider who has nothing to gain and has no personal reason whatsoever of getting involved, and I made a fuckin difference. Funny how those that are appreciative of my efforts are not the ones you'd expect to be most appreciative. I'm so sick and fucking tired of all the lies, deception and games, as well as being unappreciated by those who should appreciate me the most. I have put more heart and soul into all this than anything in my life. And for what? To be practically spit on by you? If my intentions weren't so pure and honest in all that I've tried to accomplish, then it's highly doubtful I'd be this pissed. Think about that. Seems all the time I was spending with Shorty was what started the disassociation I got from you and Kevin. I really fail to see how any of that is any different than Phil associating with Bernie, or don't you get it? Yeah, I'm a bit outspoken, and my methods are somewhat unorthdox what with confronting McAlister outside his home and calling him a punk bitch. Can't hurt anymore than Kevin marrying Liz with what the media has made of that over the years, and folks in the WW forum are still questioning that. You brought Kevin, Phil, Jim and Steve into this when you replied to me Pat. So I'm leaving them in it. This tirade of mine was started by you lieing about kevin and you meeting with Shorty and getting his recantment. I made that happen, and you robbed me of that accomplisment in a public forum instead of crediting me for it, not to mention it being in the wake of all the shit I took from Francine, as well as Kevin turning down every opportunity I gave him to meet with Shorty himself. So lets put this to a vote and see what happens shall we? We're all men here. I'd like to hear from Steve, Jim and Phil. Since Pat has admitted to the lie about him and Kevin meeting with Shorty, should his apology include another post by him in the WW forum crediting me with my participation and showing his appreciation for such? I think it does. Not so much just because of his lie in the post, but because he took credit for something that wasn't his to take credit for alone, and he sat back and never defended me when Francine accused me of making things worse for something he's now trying to take credit for. This is not how I expected to be treated by someone who is supposed to be a friend and an ally. BTW, I still have my autographed copy of Phil's book that says, To Rob Taylor, who made it happen, With greatest respect, Phil Stanford I display it proudly in my home. Rob The same day I emailed my heated response to Patrick, I heard from Jim Redden of the Portland Tribune... Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:20:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Sorry From: jimredden@portlandtribune.com View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert To: "Rob Taylor" <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> as i remembered, we wanted them to meet with harden but they refused for reasons i didn't understand, then stalled around for hours and we had to figure out how to keep the talks with shorty alive... Phil Stanford phoned me reaffirming his support of my efforts with the website, and suggested I just let it go. Easy for him to say considering the column he wrote awhile back claiming the Portland Tribune was responsible for tracking Shorty down and getting his recantment. Taken from Portland Tribune-August 1, 2006 Some of us haven't forgotten Frank Gable "Several months later, The Oregonian — which, for reasons still not clear, has always had a proprietary interest in the state’s version of what happened that night — appointed a crack team of investigative reporters to get to the bottom of it all. Finally, with much huffing and puffing about having conducted “the deepest examination of the case since Gable’s conviction in 1991,” they announced their conclusion: Gable had been given a fair trial and was guilty as charged. The only problem being that in the course of their deep examination, they had failed to interview either Harden or Swearingen. Too bad. Because if they had, Harden could have told them — as he did the Tribune when we tracked him down — that he wasn’t at the Dome Building that night." Oh, and did I mention Phil called me prior to writing this particular article? He wanted to write about Frank and was looking for suggestions or ideas. This was the result, and when faced with a perfect opportunity to mention the website simply by being honest about who tracked down Shorty, he failed also. I wonder if Frank Gable's sister Francine is getting it yet. All in all, the best response came from Steve Krasik, the Francke family lawyer for all matters pertaining to the Francke murder. From: "krasik" <krasik@teleport.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by teleport.com. Learn more To: "'Rob Taylor'" <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> CC: "'Phil Stanford'" <philstanford@portlandtribune.com>, "'Jim Redden'" <jimredden@portlandtribune.com>, "'Kevin Francke'" <kbf61553@yahoo.com>, "Patrick Francke" <epatrick@kcnet.com>, "E Patrick Francke" <epatrick1@gmail.com> Subject: RE: ??? Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:59:30 -0700 Rob, I have, with sadness, been reading the emails that have arrived concerning this unfortunate dust-up. I have not, up to now, felt that comments or opinions by me would be useful to , but I do, out of respect, owe you the courtesy of a reply to your direct questions. I am not unmindful of the passions involved on all sides. You and the Francke brothers are all intelligent and proud men who have never given me reason to believe that any of you has, with malice, acted other than honorably. It is my hope that time will dampen the invective and that everyone will eventually remember that results are our mutual goal. Disagreements and misunderstandings and misstatements do not always indicate lying or bad faith, but if they do, then apologies should be tendered, wrongs righted, behaviors changed, and forward motion be continued. If I can be of any service towards our goal of obtaining definitive, competent and admissible proof of the identity of the murderer(s) of Michael Francke, I remain compelled to do everything I can to that end. I am aware that you addressed this email to me personally, but I am taking the liberty of copying this response to those who have, like me, been mentioned at various stages of this series of heated emails. I do continue to represent the Francke family with respect to events related to Michael Francke's murder. With regard to your website: Kevin’s representation that I said that you did a ‘pretty good job on the website’ was an uncharacteristic understatement. I think your website is a spectacular effort, and I particularly respect the dedication with which you have pursued the goal of securing accountability and a just outcome for all persons involved in Michael’s murder. I hope this recent unpleasantness will not prevent you from continuing your good work. Steve Krasik The evidence against Kevin Francke of hindering this case as much as he's helped it, is steadily mounting. First, he ignores new evidence pertaining to the Meg Hanson issue. Many believe Meg"s statement needs to be investigated. Why did Kevin put considerable effort into getting media attention for Linda Parker’s statement which purports some of the same theories as Meg’s statement, yet refuses to even acknowledge Meg’s info as being on the table? Why has he tried to tell Meg Hanson that who she really saw that day was Dennis Plante? He has disassociated himself from not only me, but others who frequent this site in search of answers in order to aid them in trying to help Frank. Ignoring me is one thing, but ignoring and hindering the efforts of this website to help Frank Gable, as well as the efforts of others who frequent this site is downright disrespectful, and quite simply gives cause to wonder what Kevin Francke’s true motives are in this case. Now we are faced with this most recent piece of evidence that proves Kevin Francke is hindering investigations. After corresponding with Karie Rothschild-Roos for a couple of weeks I finally came to the decision that I needed to share what I was learning with Kevin regardless of the animosity between us. It was the right thing to do. I knew he had been trying to contact her for quite awhile. He was trying to get to Karie through a woman named Tara Parish (TP to those who have frequented the message forum) who lives in Salem and used to be friends with Karie’s older sister Tracy. I was also hoping to lay to rest the doubts I was having as to Kevin's true intentions and motives for immersing himself in this case as he has done. That didn't happen. Karie had told me that Tara Parish was successful in contacting her sister Tracy pretending she wanted to rekindle an old friendship, and then starting to ask questions about Karie and the murder. This contact must have occurred sometime between July 2006 and February of 2007. A post in my message forum from TPSALEM on July 7, 2006 reads as such... Back on track for real now. "Ok, here's the deal whoever is reading or stopping by. I need to be hooked up with Melody somehow, if anyone has contact with her I'll give you my real name to get word to her and she'll be cool with the hookup, if I can be sure I'm not being bullshitted. How am I gonna know that? No clue. Melody was "mama" to quite a few including me if anyone is suspicious. Private message me about this if you know anything, public posts are not necessary. If you are writing to Nicky or visit him and ask him, remind him about that antique gold that he sculpted into rose in 87 for Melody's friend and whatever happens will happen, I'm sure he'll let her know what's up." End of message According to Karie, once the Rothschild sisters learned Tara Parish was a friend of Kevin Francke, they stopped talking to her. For some reason the Rothschild family didn’t trust Kevin Francke. My trust in Kevin has wavered substantially also, however, knowing that Kevin was seeking information from Karie I set aside my feelings for a brief moment and provided Kevin an opportunity to prove me wrong. He failed. This is the email I sent to Kevin… Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:20:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rob Taylor" <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert Subject: Karie Rothschild To: "Kevin Francke" <kbf61553@yahoo.com> I'm probably wasting my time sending you this, but Karie contacted me a couple of weeks ago. We've exchanged emails and had about 5-6 phone calls. She last called just this afternoon as a matter of fact. Interesting stuff. Validates a few of your theories. Melody is scared shitless of Karie talking to me. Same ol story...everyone is off the dope, cleaned up and making a life for themselves. Worried about all that getting turned upside down and all. Karie actually has a way of loosening her mom up somewhat. Karie says her husband thinks she's become "obsessed" with the case since finding my website. She's doing everything behind his back currently. Anyway, there's much more. You interested? Rob Within twelve hours Kevin had forwarded my email to Tara Parish, and Tara had forwarded it to Karie’s sister Tracy. Kevin never responded to me. This is the email I received from Karie directly after the phone call telling me to lose her name, number and everything else, and not to contact her. The “Johnathan” she refers to is Johnathan Rundy (JR). Karie was very impressed with Rundy's theories presented in his online book, “The Michael Francke Murder Mystery-Solved." From: "Karie Rothschild-Roos" View Contact Details Add Mobile Alert To: robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Do not contact me again Rob Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:36:19 -0700 Dear Rob, As you are well aware, reading John’s book is what prompted me to contact you and John in the first place. Johnathan has been nothing short of a gentleman, yet you have done nothing short of gain my trust and turn around and betray it. In this world there are few people that I have ever counted on. I did not count on you, but I hoped that at a minimum you would understand the enormity of this situation for the sake of the tremendous wrongdoing that has been done to a human life and I hoped you would show an ounce of respect for yourself and for me. You clearly have not. What a let down you are to Frank Gable under the guise of justice. You were obviously a tweaker a little too long. Below is an email that you sent to a member of the Francke family. Where I got it is of no concern, but the fact is that you sent it. If you don’t know where you got it Rob, then you are a fool, because perhaps you sent more than one, or you have more than one game going on. Bottom line, you have no integrity, and I have no respect or time for people like that in my life. I have seen some horrible things in my day, but I have grown up, moved on, and I have a family to protect. Do not contact me again in any way, shape or form. One of my best friends is LAPD and he has worked with the FBI on several occasions and I will ask him to do help me do anything within the bounds of the law to make sure that you and your Granny friend come to a screeching halt if you continue to contact me. My neighbor is also a Fed and I will also ask him to help me if you continue to contact me. Don’ t fuck with me again. The shame of it is, that I could have been on your side. Johnathan, I have much respect for you and if you are in my neighborhood I hope you look me up and I will gladly buy you a coffee, drink or dinner… anytime. But regarding Michael Francke, unfortunately, unless I am under subpoena, we are done. I hope that I am clear Rob. We are fucking done. I am shocked, horrified, and blown away by your arrogance and stupidity. Karie An email including a copy of my email to Kevin followed Wait a minute…all I did was contact Kevin Francke and attempt to share potentially important information instead of trying to be some footloose and fancy free rogue investigator who thinks he can do everything on his own. All I did was contact Kevin Francke. The man Nigel Jaquiss referred to as... “being at the center of the conspiracy theorists, and who, nearly two decades later, remains immersed in the demimonde of meth dealers, ex-cons, and corrections sources, many of whom he thinks know bits and pieces of what “really” happened.” The brother of the victim who has believed in Frank Gable's innocence since the trial, and who feels justice was never obtained for his brother. Karie mentions the “enormity of this situation.” That’s something we didn’t have the chance to discuss. She mentions integrity. Seems to me I was adhering to a proper ethical standard by contacting Kevin and attempting to share information I was obtaining regardless of personal issues between us, and I was being completely honest in my email to him. I didn’t create that truth, Karie did. It’s not my fault Karie ignored her husband’s wishes and continued to talk to me, and it’s surely not my fault that my email to Kevin ended up in Tracy’s inbox bringing about repercussions for Karie within her immediate family. That blame is entirely on Kevin Francke. My email should’ve never left his inbox and he should've responded to me. It’s quite apparent that Karie Rothschild-Roos does not trust Kevin Francke. She never elaborated on why, other than to say she thought it strange that Kevin Francke and Elizabeth Godlove (the woman acquitted of murdering Tim Natividad) had married. Ms. Roos also implied Natividad’s death may not have been over a domestic dispute which was Ms. Godlove's defense in her murder trial. Maybe she's just some goldigger who successfully parlayed her looks and charm into obtaining a husband with credentials and a bank account, and now is desperately trying to erase her past before it sneaks up and bites her in her ass. There is no statute of limitations on murder, and somehow she was able to escape prosecution for a murder she admitted seeing and failed to report until questioned by defense investigators From the sequence of events it appears Kevin Francke is aware of Ms. Roos’s distrust of him, and in my opinion he knows why, and that's the key to what transpired here. Kevin forwarded the email he received from me to Tara Parish, for her to send to Tracy, knowing it would hinder any further correspondence between Karie and I. What is it he's trying to hide? Something Karie knows about his wife Liz? Many have thought it peculiar that Kevin and Liz married, and I am no exception. Natividad’s death just two weeks after the Francke murder has always been to convenient, too coincidental. The domestic defense is too “textbook” for gender preferenced courtrooms deliberating on domestic disputes. The questions have always lingered in the minds of those that thought the Francke marriage peculiar… …why would a man who had come from Florida to Oregon to investigate his brother’s murder, and who had never used street drugs, hook up with, and marry a woman who used meth, and who had immersed herself in the meth community of Salem? A woman who had fired multiple rounds into the gut of Tim Natividad from a .44 magnum…for whatever reason! Talk about baggage! Today, Elizabeth Godlove/Francke is a devout wife and outstanding mother to her two chidren born out of her marriage to Kevin. It is quite difficult to look at her today and imagine the history she has in this case. Makes one really wonder what lurks in the history of others as well. |
| Karie Rothschild-Roos, Christoper Roos and Dianne Carlson, founders of Camp Keepsake. |
| Camp Keepsake, started in 2000, caters to adults diagnosed with cancer, and is largely the brainchild of Christopher Roos, who, in addition to managing the foundation with his wife, Karie Rothschild-Roos, runs two wholly unrelated businesses: Dal/Lyn International Inc., a fastener distribution business, and Concrete Solutions and Supply. The pair also finds the time to raise three children. Camp Keepsake 2008 Finding the Peace . . . and keeping it |
| Email Correspondence with Karie Rothschild- Roos Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 20:33:58 -0500 From: karie@ To: rob@freefrankgable.com Subject: question about Frank Hi Rob, I looked at your website and I am trying to figure out who you are and if I knew you 20 years ago, but I was quite young at that time. I am wondering if you can answer a couple questions I have. Has Frank ever had a decent lawyer? Has anyone ever contacted an activist group (like the student group that just got that guy that has been in prison 20 years out)? What grounds could a new trial be opened? I am real hesitant to sign into your website (I guess too many years of Drugs did me in on the paranoia department)... no offense...I don't even put my names on my checks :) Thanks for your help. My best intentions are truly in mind. Karie Welcome Karie, Has Frank ever had a decent lawyer? No, although his post-conviction lawyer Ken Hadley has done the best work of any, regardless of the fact he failed to file an appeal on time recently. Mistakes happen, just gotta work around them. Has anyone ever contacted an activist group (like the student group that just got that guy that has been in prison 20 years out)? No, but it's a good idea. What grounds could a new trial be opened? The options are quite limited, and it would be a long story to describe, however if you have the time I suggest you read Meg Hanson's info on the MIPS page of the website. Here's a link... http://www.freefrankgable.com/mips I firmly believe if this info was investigated more thoroughly it would provide grounds for a new trial based on a "Brady Motion" which essentially is suppression of exculpatory evidence. Another long story, but reading the MIPS page should enlighten you further. Hope this helps. Rob Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:35:18 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: question about Frank Rob, Unbelievable. I would tell Frank to ask his attorney to submit a claim to his professional liability carrier for compensation for monetary relief to pay for a BETTER attorney and other relief until he is allowed his Federal hearing or until he dies in prison...and I would question who got ahold of his attorney in the month that the document needed to be submitted. My guess is the attorney's children, wife or someone he loves was threatened and that is why the deadline slipped through the cracks. Find an advocate group of students (research the internet), submit the information to Oprah (I am not joking, and have a woman do it on his behalf, and have each other proof read it and make it mushy), and ask a great murder attorney...don't waste your time with any more of these losers....like OJ Simpsons attorney.... to see if he will take the case on pro bono. Maybe you can put together a 501(c)3 fund on Frank's behalf that accepts paypal, visa,etc.. Costco does them cheap that can help fund attorney fees. Link it to his site so people can donate and offer the attorney all the ongoing money that comes in forever. But, speak to the attorneys tactfully, non emotionally, facts only, have the paperwork already, and tell Frank to make a huge effort to straighten his language skills out also. Tell him to make a lot of effort to sound educated, (stop using the word aint). My sister is an attorney, and my brother and sister in law are in law school, so I know it helps. And, read John Rundys book from Lulu.com if you have not already. My guess is that you already have, but just in case. It has been so many years since I have thought about this stuff and to tell you the truth, I'd love to talk to you someday on the phone because there is just so much and I really am curious to see if I could connect if I know you or if you know my sister or mother. We were there and, unfortunately, smack in the middle of it all. Karie Karie, Seems ever since I got Meg Hanson's info and badgered everyone to address it they have all come up with ridiculous, hypocritical reasons to disassocite themselves from me. I could fill a book explaining it all, but if you read the website thoroughly you'll learn what up. There's alot to read in the message forum as well. In the past few months I have become quite outspoken and harsh in my posts. I simply have put too much time and effort into this case to put up with any of their shit. I have learned more than you can possibly imagine and it's not at all good. I have made multiple attempts already contacting Oprah, Montel, Maury, etc, with no response. Frank only has a 6th grade education, although he obtained a GED in prison and has made alot of progress. His ignorance helped to get him in this mess, and his ignorance is helping to keep him there. I never knew Frank when I created the website and jumped into this mess. I haven't lived in Salem since 2nd grade. Don't know anyone there. Never ran with anyone from there. I was born and raised in PDX. I have done what I've done because I hate the system, hate the corruption. I want those truly responsible to pay, and I don't want others wrongfully convicted. The website is a champion for due process for all, not necessarily Frank Gable. Frank leans where the money comes from, like his sister. IMHO, she doesn't want him to get out because it would create hardships for her in a life that already has it's share. I hope I'm wrong. I doubt if we know each other. Like I said, my mix was in PDX. I'm curious though just how much in the middle of everything you were like you said. Care to elaborate at all? Rob Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:54:04 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: question about Frank Mr. Taylor, No, I wouldn't know you, but hat off to you for your cause. You are either a good man, or like to make yourself insane for no good reason...or possibly both. If Franks lawyer is going to follow up, for now, I would do nothing. But if he does nothing, I would ask his lawyer to submit a claim for policy limits (I used to be a licensed insurance broker) and even if he doesn't win a cent, the lawyer will always regret having missed that deadline when he goes to get new insurance. His point will be made. Trust me. What I remember of Shorty, and after reading his testimony ...yikes...his crediblity is shot regardless, so I would think the recant could only be good, but depending on how his life is now, I would wonder how anyone could deem him credible ever. I am curious what you mean when you say the Franke brothers put up the money??? I have never understood how Kevin Francke ended up with Liz Godlove. That has never sat well with me....I cannot piece it together. And, didn't Rooster (Nativad) have a child with her from before? That seems to stick out in my mind, but I don't remember seeing that child in their cute little family picture where they look like the Mansons. My mother, sister and I lived in Salem. Bucky Burgess is my moms cousin. I am sure you have heard that name in your research. My mom was also married to an inmate, so I came to know the corruption of the system both inside and out. My mom was also a junkie. I was also a very pretty young girl, so Rooster has an interest in me and I speculate that I was headed toward a Scott McAlisters direction. I also happened to see many too many things that I shant have seen and unfortunately I told the private investigators (I can only assume Franks piece of shit State assigned paid off investigators) when they hunted me down in Utah in a drug rehab, but nothing came of it and I was able to do a couple stints in drug rehab and eventually live my life. Now, at age 33 ... out of nowhere I came across this prompt to google the trial (another long story) and I cannot believe the horror that came with it. I ordered the Rundy book and found your site and I am completely in shock. How's that for a little background...somewhat general, but a little info. The biggest problem is I don't know who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, and for all I know, you could be either. 12 years off drugs, a successful person, complete tattoo removal, sold my bike years ago and you couldn't tell me apart from the ladies on Desparate Housewifes and this is where I am....... Fortunately I have most of my brain back :) How's that for an earful???? Karie Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:58:32 -0800 From: "Karie Rothschild-Roos" <karie@ To: robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: the problem Hi Rob, This is where I am at and maybe you can help me, and maybe Rundy can help me. He is brilliant…scary brilliant. I emailed him …with no response to date. I am not inclined to look much further without going to an attorney, which I really do not want to do. My husband has never used a drug, smoked a cigarette and I honestly do not want to expose him to this. He and I run a cancer camp for adults dealing with cancer…we have our work cut out for us this year running two camps for the first time ever, and I am already like a dough brain today... It is tremendously important to me find out what I told the investigators when they came out to Utah and interviewed me. It will help me and then I will know if I can help you. I have no idea how to do this. Otherwise, I am just another lame former tweaker with a different version. Do you know how to get this information? Karie Karie, BTW, do you recall what year/month the investigators interviewed you, and do you recall who the investigators worked for? Rob Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:09:26 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: the problem My best guess would be when I was 16 1/2 years old, so I would say approximately August 1990. I am going to see if I can look up the hospital records. KRR Karie, First read this. It's an article I wrote when I first created the website. I got all this information from Frank's case files. I'd havta look again, but from memory I'm pretty sure there are statements in there from your mom and possibly you. Every piece of info in this article I wrote came from some type of report within those files. Get back to me after you've read this and lemme know what you think. Rundy (not his real name) has been driving a truck lately so he's in and out. He did just post in my message forum either yesterday or today. I'll get ahold of him. Do you want me to tell him about you? BTW, I never listened to Kevin when he tried to sway me away from Rundy. I thought it peculiar and suspicious because Rundy is quite intelligent, and knows what up. Here's a link to my article... http: //www.freefrankgable.com/thanksarticle.html Did you know I flew to Tempe, Arizona a couple of years ago and confronted Scott McAlister outside his home? Called him a punk pedophile bitch and told him to smile for my camera and snapped a few pics. That's how our conversation ended at least. Haha! Rob Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 02:10:02 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: the problem The info is not correct. I'll tell you manana. goodnight Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:50:23 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: viagra order Hi Rob, Do you like the heading? I thought it was a nice touch. I read this article... I imagine that you know who I am. It is not exactly easy to hide and you are clearly a fairly adept computer person, so I am sure by now you have at a minimum googled me and know what I look like, what I do, how many children I have, where I live, what my income is, who my husband is, where my home is, and possibly much more. I called my mother this morning who is extremely freaked out, to say the least, and has cautioned me to sever all ties immediately with you and anyone else related. She is clean and sober and has been for several years and has finally put her life back together after sacrificing many years as a martyr as many women feel they must for men behind bars. Unfortunately, Conrad Garcia, her previous husband, was institutionalized at a young age. He was actually tried as an adult when he was 17 and has never really learned how to live outside the system. It is all he has come to know, and it is where I predict he will stay, not because of corruption, but because it is where he now feels at home...consciously or not. Very sad, because he is a very talented and beautiful man in many ways, and what a way to waste his life. You can send him a letter, but all he knows is just rumor as well, and it is truly a waste of your time, in addition to the fact that he is also an inmate with very little credibility. There are many inaccuracies in the article in which you referenced. It is quite possible my mother told this story, but as you know, this is the inherent problem with tweakers, and it was probably a good batch of that rose smelling stuff that day. The characters in this story are not even correct. If memory serves correct, which it may or may not (it has been so dang long), I believe it was my sister Tracy was actually the one who she should have been referring to, who was actually approximately 22 years old at the time, not me. I was much too fond of Rooster to not let him in my house, even until the day he died. I was young, foolish, rebellious, naive, and had no idea what was really going on. Besides that, I truly though my mom was crazy with all her talk about the whole, prison conspiracy, and all the scandals that she wouldn't shut up about all the time. After all, I was a teenager, so I hated my mother as most teens do, and she was a tweaker, so she was embarrassing and crazy. I hated showing up at other peoples houses finding my bedroom furniture had been traded for dope and now belonged to them as they laughed about it not realizing that it was my mother they were mocking. Also, most tweakers would not go to the police with guns. How stupid is that??? My mom of all people...scared to death of the police. Trust me. I am working from home for the next few hours. Let me know if you are around and able to talk. krr Karie, Well, just finished the book. I think it started better than it finished. JR says he wants to rewrite it. There are quite a few inaccuracies in his facts toward the end, but nothing that effects his theories which are indeed quite interesting. JR admits to getting alot of his info from my website. Caulley and Glover have been considered suspects in the past by those of us trying to free Frank, although no-one has laid down a foundation for that theory as well as JR has. Anyway, reading his work has compelled me to create some additional pages for my website. Won't happen overnight, but I've a new gameplan somewhat. I should've heard from Frank sometime this week but haven't. I fear his sister has threatened to cut off the cash if he continues to correspond me. She is the most ignorant bitch (sorry) I've ever encountered. Anyway, thanks for pushing me to read JR's book. Give me a call this weekend if you have time to talk more. Rob Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:47:33 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Rundy's book Hi Rob, I am glad you finished the book. I figured it wouldn't take long since most of the stuff was stuff you probably had already read several times. Is Glover a female or male? I have not been able to reach my mother yet. I have left her a couple of messages, and she will call as soon as she is back in service...always does. She and I talk very regularly. Since they do long haul trucking, they often are waiting for a load or empties and I know they are in an area with very poor reception right now. I will make sure to find out. Blood and money are always thicker than water....at least temporarily. But, i can sure testify that family can be the worst of the worst when it really comes down to it. Have a great weekend and I let you know when I hear. Karie Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:04:01 -0500 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: list Spoke with my mother... Cindy Burgess: seems to remember her being a DA (thought it strange to have the same name as Buck, so it rang a bell) I do need some clarification on Loren Glover. Any clue what this guy looks like? My mom said that at one point she spoke with Nick (Conrad Garcia) on the phone and told him that she was going to end up getting an eviction notice. She said that the next day, a greasy looking mexican cop came over with a woman (not his wife) saying his name was Loren. She said that he knocked on the door saying that he was looking to rent the place because he heard we were being evicted (which we were not, she just was anticipating we would be soon). She told him to go to hell, because the place was not for rent. She said that the next day Nick was called in by Armenakas (in the Prison, obviously) and that Armenakas told Nick that we were being watched by a group of cops that were "not good ones" and that he needed to watch his back. It was not long before he was put into the hole for some thing or the other and it was never spoken about again. My mom is still absolutely convinced that at this time they had to be listening to her phone conversations for them to show up at our house like that for no reason. Perhaps they were profiling Nick at the time. So, Armenakas was a higher up in the corrections according to my mother. He is on your list and information within the prison on him should be available somehow. Don't call my phone...just email.. Thanks. Karie Karie, http://www.freefrankgable.com/mips.html The preceeding link will take you to a page in my site. It's regarding the man in the pinstriped suit. There has been much speculation that Rooster could've been the MIPS. Of course there are alot of holes in that theory with other info Kevin and I obtained. Statements from Jodie and Shorty for example. According to Jodie she was with Rooster the night of the murder and they drove to Buck's house behind the dome building where Rooster emptied some stuff outa the trunk into Buck's garage. Then they drove to the other side of the dome building where Rooster parked, got outa the car, and came back about 20 minutes later with blood on him. You'll recall I mentioned this in one of our phone calls. I have found it very frustrating and strange that I can't get anyone to investigate Meg Hanson's story further. I believe it could win Frank a new trial based on suppression of exculpatory evidence. I also have some video on the site of Jodie Swearingen under hypnosis in 1996. Here's a link to that. http://www.freefrankgable.com/jodieletter There is more. I have the complete interview of Jodie under hypnosis but it's on VHS and I haven't converted all of it yet. Anyway, some stuff for you to look at if you haven't already. BTW, you wouldn’t by chance still have the coat you mentioned Rooster leaving at your house, would you? Havta ask… Rob Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 22:34:06 -0400 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" robtaylorus@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Have you read this yet? Hi Rob, Wish I did have the coat. He took it with him when he left. Somebody had to have had it and knew, and gotten rid of it...at least by the time he was killed by Liz. All I have are a few trinkets that are pretty useless. Sorry. Thanks for the info. I'll check it tomorrow. Karie Rob Taylor <robtaylorus@yahoo.com>: Click here for statement document You'll need MS Word to view this file. There are statements by many names you'll recognize in this document. The interviews were conducted by a defense investigator by the name of Bruce Cummins. Yours is about 60% into the document. Your mother's statements are below that, and are what I based my article on. When you read your statement you'll see that some of what you were telling me I already knew, except you tried to make out like it was someone other than Tim who killed some guy in your presence. I felt like you were jerkin my chain actually. Anyway, I still don't understand why you would object to me contacting Kevin Francke. Furthermore, I find it even more strange that Kevin forwarded my email to you, and that he knew how to contact you, and that he seemingly knew it would compromise relations between the two of us. Alot of unanswered questions, and questions I'm sure you know the answers to. I'm not your enemy Karie, but if you refuse to answer my questions you leave me no choice but to write about it. Rob Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:51:04 -0400 From: karie@ To: "Rob Taylor" <robtaylorus@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Your statement you asked for Rob, Contrary to what you have indicated, there is nothing attached. I told you the reason that I was compelled in the first place to look into this mess. It was because Tara Parrish contacted my sister, pretending she wanted to rekindle an old friendship, and then started asking questions about me and the murder. She incidentally turned out to be a friend of Kevin Francke. You knew that. You knew that connection. I told you my feeling on Kevin. It still stands the same. Tara is the person who forwarded your email to Kevin to my sister, who then flipped out on me. Flipped out. This caused huge problems within my family. Think about the way your email made me look. Your portrayal of me was not exactly as a good daughter, a lovely wife, and a devoted sister. You sold me out. I was beginning to think you should apply for a job at OSP. You seem to be a good fit. You know, you have no idea what I have been through. You have no idea the things I have seen, the days I did not eat as a teenager, the days I had to help junkies that I loved try to find veins on their wrists because they had blown the veins out in their arms. You have no idea what it is like to be young, have no room to sleep in, to know that you have been sold for a bag, to know that your intelligence level is higher than that of most college graduates, but you will not make it to college because of the decisions of your family. You have no idea the nights I still wake up with my heart pounding because I dream of shots being fired and I gasp for breath, get myself together and lay awake and cry quietly until I can fall back asleep, knowing that I not only was a victim, but I turned around and did many of the same things and repeated the whole cycle... Yes, I have moved on with my life, but I often feel like damaged goods and I have worked hard to be a person that is good to others and I don't deserve to be treated the way you have treated me. Your lack of integrity is appaling. So, if you have to smear my name to get your glory, so be it. You live with yourself. I made it crystal clear that I communicated with Johnathan and that I no longer wanted that information at this time. I know for a fact that you know that. You can skew it any way you'd like, but I know for a fact that you know that because you told me you had many documents and if not find this document you could ask Marv, or Kevin, who had documents, and I told you that I spoke with Johnathan and that we decided to NOT DO ANYTHING right now, TO KEEP my name OUT of things, that it felt safer and YOU AGREED TO KEEP MY NAME OUT OF THINGS COMPLETELY. YOU AGREED. So, don't threaten me with talking about me. If that is some kind of blackmail, I don't know what to tell you...I have nothing for you... what happened happened. I have never embellished. I have vague recollections of what happened 20 years ago that truly haunt me still ...and believe me, I would love to put them to rest. You have said several times that you have not believed me until you found some sort of written evidence. Well, I don't give a flying fuck. I do not want any glory, I do not want to be famous. I do not want to be on your fucking website. I do not want a million dollars. I do not want a fucking golden star. I do not want anything from you. I do not even want you to believe me. And at this point, I do not even know why I am even engaging you in conversation. You obviously do want some of these things, so I believe that your motives are not exactly pure. So perhaps you should have yourself a hot shower and ask yourself what it is you are really doing. Is it that you have just started a project that you cannot give up on? You have a hard on for Frank? Hoping to get some money or something? Because truly it is never OK to use people and screw good people to do what is right. I hope that you realize that. Even if what you are trying to do is right. You should never use and screw good people. I hope that you continue to do good for Michael Francke's sake. He was a man of honor and I hope that you can at least attempt to TRY to model after him and do the right thing and perhaps not use and abuse good people in your process, but my God, when you ask what side I am on, I am on the side of the people that have honor. That is the side I am on. I hope that for Frank Gable's sake he will get out. I have faith that he will, but if you continue to force the people that are truly stable and willing to help and have resources to do so, than you are a fool. Karie This was the last email I received from Karie before she went off the deep end over my email to Kevin. |